mk2 Sprint Car Build

[kosingcurry]

Well, thought I'd better give you guys a few updates to get your opinions on the rather SLOW progress! Got the rollcage finished now,pretty pleased with the door bars aswell, they give loads more room in the car which is good.
Sorry about the quality of the pics:






Dash is all gone now aswell, ready for the carbon one, relocated the steering position aswell, as I've never liked the original place:






also made a start on the strut brace which is gona tie into the rollcage, I'm prety pleased with it actually, just starting to come together:





This is how it sits at the moment, arches have got to go on but got the new panels mocked up and it's starting to look a bit meaner now:





Let me know of your thoughts on the progress, also what sort of things will the car be eligable for if I fit a 2.0 st170 engine?

[davejupp]

Duratec!!!!

[tom burgess]

The work you have done on youre car is fantasticBUT before you go any further i would read the MSA Blue book very carefully because for sprinting the rules are very tight.If you put a zetec in it you will be put in the dumping ground(well you would down here but rules are different elsewhere).also rules on cages and tunnels is another big one.so go carefully but excellent work all the same

[kosingcurry]

Cheers for the feedback tom, could you shed any light as to what exactly the rules are for escorts etc. I'm not to sure what to use the car for really, sprinting is what I'm use to as we do it in the 911, but I think I'd like to perhaps try some circuit?

Will

[kosingcurry]

Well, got the front suspension mocked-up tonight, ready for diss-assembly for paint etc. Just need to get some big Wilwoods on it now

oh, and started playing around with how I want it to look, soz about the laim paint picture but couldn't be arsed with CATIA tonight.lol

[tom burgess]

well rules are different all over the country,and ruled are read differentl by different people.down here you can only have an engine in what the car rolled out the showroom with,but heads are free.so for instance you can run a x-flow,pinto,BDA,cossie but the more modern stuff like zetecs and duratecs you cant.
Then im not too sure but i dont think you can run the cage through the bulkhead like it looks like youre going too.Also 5 linking is a grey area but i think that is allowed now.then you cant cut all the tunnels out although most people do.
But then rules for racing are different again but if you already sprint then you must have the blue book.have a good read of that as i may be incorrect on 1 or all what i have just wrote
Good luck and i will try and help if i can
P.S. The car does look really mean

[Pushrod King]

For hillclimbing and sprinting your car would end up in sports libre,which is basically an anything goes except single seaters/kit cars class.
As for racing, most series would want an original engine and standard bulkhead and tunnels unless again you run in the anything goes class.You need to find a series you fancy doing and build it to the rules for that series

Note to Tom: the Isle of Wight is "down here" it's further south than dover

[tom burgess]

[kosingcurry]

Lol, ye I think we're about as southern as it gets. You wana try gettin to events from here mate it's a bitch.

Well, I think I've seen a few racing series which run a variety of cars. There's one wi

[chrisb]

i really hope your not going to use them spacers ?pray:

[kosingcurry]

Lol, ye I think we're about as southern as you get, you wana try getin to events from here. The ferry's a killer

As to the racing, there's a few series such as you've mentioned with lots of different, modified cars in. One with a prety mean black sunbeam in, not sure what it's called, you guyz might know? But to be honest, it's the first car I've built and just wanted to go a bit mad with it. Hey, I'll just use it as a trackday car if not, and might try n get it in a magazine or something.Wot the hell

[kosingcurry]

Lol, don't wory those spacers are going in the bin. Was just playing around with things, but I agree, they're crap.

[tom burgess]

are you talking about josh ronchettis(sp)

[kosingcurry]

Just found the series I'm on about, it's called:
lma euro saloons,

Heres a video of the sunbeam I was talking about to
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7xEryV8N-q4YouTube - lotus sunbeam cadwell joss ronchetti.

[tom burgess]

yep thats the car.i think its been totalled now.unless it got rebuilt.

[kosingcurry]

anyone know who's car this is?? It's niiiice

[jono_misfit]

Excelent clip. With really good driving.

www.pro-driver.org

[mervhill]

How much are you looking at spending on the engine mate?

[mervhill]

That sunbeam is AWESOME! Totally owned those ex touring cars, and they're far from slow!!

[tom burgess]

are you talking about josh ronchettis(sp)

anyone know who's car this is?? It's niiiice

[Retromotorsport]

Yep thats Joss Ronchetti's Sunbeam .. 2.5 907Lotus in it and bloody quick, does 1.17's around Snett..

He did wall it, but I belive it was repaired in a week, think it was during a Time Attack round .. maybe wrong though.

Basicly with a non standard engine , you'll be in Class A of most race series.. stupid rule .. a Zetec is the same as a BDA's ..just half the price, Same as a N/A YB , just cheaper again ..

If you do mod the floor pan between the cars axle centerlines, you'll be in Class A/B even with a standard engine .. or there is the Old Fords Sprint Championship ... Anything goes as its a Handicap Championship ..

[kosingcurry]

Cheers for the info on the championship possibilites!

Really, I've only got about £2500 to spend on the engine, max. Is it possible to get something half decent for that?

[Retromotorsport]

Not for the mods done to the shell.. cheapest and most power would be a YB turbo .. anything else to cope with class a cars is going to be 10k Duratecs or 20k BDA's

That said.. if you entered the OFSC you could put an 1100cc x-flow in there and still win ...

[kosingcurry]

To be honest, I'm not that bothered about winning classes etc, or even seriously attacking a championship. I'm still prety into the porsche thing which is real good racing, so I think to be honest after what you guys have said it's gona have to be a trackday/ocassional hillclimb car. I just wanted to go fairly mad with the looks and have fun building the car whilst encorporating some interesting bits and bobs. Gues I can get a relatively fast engine tho for the money I've got in this case?

[Retromotorsport]

yeah if your just after laughs .. any engine will do. along with any mods.. just run in sports libre if you do a sprint .. or like i said the OFSC will easilly take you on, and you still have a chance at silverware .. as for racing as long as you dont mind being in a class that has faster cars and just want track experience then just join the DMN ... seems anything is more than welcome there, and the classing is fair. Sign on is dirt cheap as well as the rounds ..

[Dan]

cracking project

just a thought but whats the rest of your running gear like? worth considering your budget there too, especially if your running wide slicks and hammering it on a track, wont be too gearbox and axle friendly and it'd just be annoying if you keep breaking things every time you use it in anger

[kosingcurry]

Cheers mate, heres the spec:

Atlas (LSD) axle,Panhard Rod/Anti tramp bars, (five linked when I can afford it)
decambered springs,
Rear disk conversion
Bilstein adjustables
AP brakes, drilled/slotted vented disks,
Compression struts,
Drop linked anti roll bar
Close ratio type 9 gearbox,
and hopefully an engine sometime soon.

Checkout my other post in the general car banter to help advise me on the type of engine to get

[mervhill]

You could build a good pinto for that money, but anything modern and you're looking at a fair bit more I'd say.

[kosingcurry]

so perhaps something like this then

FORD DURATEC ENGINE 2.0L ENGINE 220BHP SPEC currently on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...MEWA:IT&ih=007

[mervhill]

Yup!!

[tom burgess]

You could build a good pinto for that money, but anything modern and you're looking at a fair bit more I'd say.

Agreed.a Pinto should be a lovely engine to put in there

[markjabber]

Where did you get those wheel spacers I am after a 25-35mm set?

[kosingcurry]

Well, I've finally made some progress. Bought an xe lump, with sbd ignition and twin webbers, alloy bellhousing etc all for a really good price Started fitting it today, got the engine mocked-up into roughly the correct place, and gona chassis mount it (cant say I'm at all happy with the kit from peter lloyd though! Got some gussets made up on the cage, and also fabricated a hydraulic handbrake which I'm really pleased with. Also got a floor mounted pedal box, as you cant reach the originals now, due to the driving position being so much further back. Well....here's the pics, hope you like

[mervhill]

Looking good mate, surprised you didn't buy your chassis mount kit from SBD though, they do them too for MK2's and they're spot on.

[kosingcurry]

Ahh, wasn't shure that they do them! Might as well keep them now though as peter lloyd say thay won't give me a reefund for being unhappy with the product, only a voucher to spend there. Oh well.... cheers for the comment mate

[mervhill]

Robbin' bastards

Steve stocks shite loads of bits mate, so should you need anything, always give him a call

[kosingcurry]

Ye, that's what I thought. I've gotta say that even speaking with Mr peter himself, he handled the situation really bad. Oh well, certainly won't be shopping at that ass wipe's store again!

Common people, - Give me some feedback on the carpray:!

[treggo]

Looks fooking tuff mate.

[Graham]

Where did you get those wheel spacers I am after a 25-35mm set?

plr i think, but those are really nasty horrible spacers that use screw on wheel stud extensions they are so bad even the makers say dont use them on alloy wheels.

your going to find it hard work getting spacers thicker than 25mm because that length will need stupidly long wheel studs and MSA blue book prohibits spacers over 25mm thick

[kosingcurry]

Ignore wheel spacers, they won't be on it.....don't worry!